Comments on: Catholic Church flexes muscles in domestic partnership debate http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate New Mexico news and politics Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: mwfolsom http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-21840 mwfolsom Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:15:40 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-21840 The problem isn't the homophobes that run the Catholic Church - its with the idiots that let them run their lives. We simply need to do a housecleaning in the Dem Party and replace as many Republicans as possible- remember not one of them voted for DP. Replace 2 of the following homophobic Democrats with people from this century:<br><br>Pete Campos<br>Tim Jennings<br>Lynda Lovejoy<br>Richard Martinez<br>George Munoz<br>John Pinto<br>Bernadette Sanchez<br>John Arthur Smith<br>Carlos Cisneros, who changed his vote from Yes to No at the end of the voting<br>David Ulibarri<br><br>and get rid of a couple of Republicans and that will do it.<br><br>The Church isn't the issue - its just an excuse to hid the homophobia in the Senate. The problem isn't the homophobes that run the Catholic Church – its with the idiots that let them run their lives. We simply need to do a housecleaning in the Dem Party and replace as many Republicans as possible- remember not one of them voted for DP. Replace 2 of the following homophobic Democrats with people from this century:

Pete Campos
Tim Jennings
Lynda Lovejoy
Richard Martinez
George Munoz
John Pinto
Bernadette Sanchez
John Arthur Smith
Carlos Cisneros, who changed his vote from Yes to No at the end of the voting
David Ulibarri

and get rid of a couple of Republicans and that will do it.

The Church isn't the issue – its just an excuse to hid the homophobia in the Senate.

]]> By: mwfolsom http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-19100 mwfolsom Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:15:40 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-19100 The problem isn't the homophobes that run the Catholic Church - its with the idiots that let them run their lives. We simply need to do a housecleaning in the Dem Party and replace as many Republicans as possible- remember not one of them voted for DP. Replace 2 of the following homophobic Democrats with people from this century:<br><br>Pete Campos<br>Tim Jennings<br>Lynda Lovejoy<br>Richard Martinez<br>George Munoz<br>John Pinto<br>Bernadette Sanchez<br>John Arthur Smith<br>Carlos Cisneros, who changed his vote from Yes to No at the end of the voting<br>David Ulibarri<br><br>and get rid of a couple of Republicans and that will do it.<br><br>The Church isn't the issue - its just an excuse to hid the homophobia in the Senate. The problem isn't the homophobes that run the Catholic Church – its with the idiots that let them run their lives. We simply need to do a housecleaning in the Dem Party and replace as many Republicans as possible- remember not one of them voted for DP. Replace 2 of the following homophobic Democrats with people from this century:

Pete Campos
Tim Jennings
Lynda Lovejoy
Richard Martinez
George Munoz
John Pinto
Bernadette Sanchez
John Arthur Smith
Carlos Cisneros, who changed his vote from Yes to No at the end of the voting
David Ulibarri

and get rid of a couple of Republicans and that will do it.

The Church isn't the issue – its just an excuse to hid the homophobia in the Senate.

]]> By: mwfolsom http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-9631 mwfolsom Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:15:40 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-9631 The problem isn't the homophobes that run the Catholic Church - its with the idiots that let them run their lives. We simply need to do a housecleaning in the Dem Party and replace as many Republicans as possible- remember not one of them voted for DP. Replace 2 of the following homophobic Democrats with people from this century:<br><br>Pete Campos<br>Tim Jennings<br>Lynda Lovejoy<br>Richard Martinez<br>George Munoz<br>John Pinto<br>Bernadette Sanchez<br>John Arthur Smith<br>Carlos Cisneros, who changed his vote from Yes to No at the end of the voting<br>David Ulibarri<br><br>and get rid of a couple of Republicans and that will do it.<br><br>The Church isn't the issue - its just an excuse to hid the homophobia in the Senate. The problem isn't the homophobes that run the Catholic Church – its with the idiots that let them run their lives. We simply need to do a housecleaning in the Dem Party and replace as many Republicans as possible- remember not one of them voted for DP. Replace 2 of the following homophobic Democrats with people from this century:

Pete Campos
Tim Jennings
Lynda Lovejoy
Richard Martinez
George Munoz
John Pinto
Bernadette Sanchez
John Arthur Smith
Carlos Cisneros, who changed his vote from Yes to No at the end of the voting
David Ulibarri

and get rid of a couple of Republicans and that will do it.

The Church isn't the issue – its just an excuse to hid the homophobia in the Senate.

]]> By: mwfolsom http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-4431 mwfolsom Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:15:40 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-4431 The problem isn't the homophobes that run the Catholic Church - its with the idiots that let them run their lives. We simply need to do a housecleaning in the Dem Party and replace as many Republicans as possible- remember not one of them voted for DP. Replace 2 of the following homophobic Democrats with people from this century:<br><br>Pete Campos<br>Tim Jennings<br>Lynda Lovejoy<br>Richard Martinez<br>George Munoz<br>John Pinto<br>Bernadette Sanchez<br>John Arthur Smith<br>Carlos Cisneros, who changed his vote from Yes to No at the end of the voting<br>David Ulibarri<br><br>and get rid of a couple of Republicans and that will do it.<br><br>The Church isn't the issue - its just an excuse to hid the homophobia in the Senate. The problem isn't the homophobes that run the Catholic Church – its with the idiots that let them run their lives. We simply need to do a housecleaning in the Dem Party and replace as many Republicans as possible- remember not one of them voted for DP. Replace 2 of the following homophobic Democrats with people from this century:

Pete Campos
Tim Jennings
Lynda Lovejoy
Richard Martinez
George Munoz
John Pinto
Bernadette Sanchez
John Arthur Smith
Carlos Cisneros, who changed his vote from Yes to No at the end of the voting
David Ulibarri

and get rid of a couple of Republicans and that will do it.

The Church isn't the issue – its just an excuse to hid the homophobia in the Senate.

]]> By: ChrisDudley http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-4333 ChrisDudley Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:52:08 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-4333 Has anyone notified the IRS that this non-profit entity is violating its legal charter by participating in political action? I wonder how you do that, formally? Has anyone notified the IRS that this non-profit entity is violating its legal charter by participating in political action? I wonder how you do that, formally?

]]> By: Blowhard http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-4314 Blowhard Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:19:57 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-4314 I love seeing this talked about as a "traditional values" issue by the Catholic church.<br><br>Holy War = Traditional Value<br>Slavery = Traditional Value<br>Appeasing the Nazi regime in WWII = Traditional Value<br>Poll Tax = Traditional Value<br>Hurting Children = Traditional Value<br>Hating Others That Are Unlike You = Traditional Value<br><br>This is not a religious issue, but a legal one. Equal rights for all. I love seeing this talked about as a “traditional values” issue by the Catholic church.

Holy War = Traditional Value
Slavery = Traditional Value
Appeasing the Nazi regime in WWII = Traditional Value
Poll Tax = Traditional Value
Hurting Children = Traditional Value
Hating Others That Are Unlike You = Traditional Value

This is not a religious issue, but a legal one. Equal rights for all.

]]> By: fosgate http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-4307 fosgate Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:23:52 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-4307 Did Christ really start the Catholic Church? Was it not he that said "God is not found in buildings made of wood and stone." I never understand how organized religion can claim Christ as their originator when he specifically spoke out against organized religion and believed that God is found within one's self, not in the words of a preacher. <br><br>Regardless doubleH, you really miss the point of this whole discussion with all your talk of God's Laws. While you in your church might be governed by the legislation of your GOD, the rest of this country is not. We live outside of those laws and are instead governed by the US constitution which specifically grants equality and the removal of church from governance. Marriage is a civil law, applicable to civil rights. If you want catholic marriage to be forbidden to gays so be it, however, you must keep that law inside the church. You think that you uphold God's will by fighting this evolution of humanity towards equality, but really you are only destroying lives by not allowing simple legal recourse in the realm of wills, health, inheritance, taxes, etc. <br><br>Oh you keeper of the holy word, standing in your arrogance and self-righteousness. You are the defender of thou precious joint income tax filing. Did Christ really start the Catholic Church? Was it not he that said “God is not found in buildings made of wood and stone.” I never understand how organized religion can claim Christ as their originator when he specifically spoke out against organized religion and believed that God is found within one's self, not in the words of a preacher.

Regardless doubleH, you really miss the point of this whole discussion with all your talk of God's Laws. While you in your church might be governed by the legislation of your GOD, the rest of this country is not. We live outside of those laws and are instead governed by the US constitution which specifically grants equality and the removal of church from governance. Marriage is a civil law, applicable to civil rights. If you want catholic marriage to be forbidden to gays so be it, however, you must keep that law inside the church. You think that you uphold God's will by fighting this evolution of humanity towards equality, but really you are only destroying lives by not allowing simple legal recourse in the realm of wills, health, inheritance, taxes, etc.

Oh you keeper of the holy word, standing in your arrogance and self-righteousness. You are the defender of thou precious joint income tax filing.

]]> By: yorksoo http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-4305 yorksoo Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:46:59 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-4305 The opponents of domestic partnerships are advertising marriage as the choice of heterosexual bigots. Well, they can have marriage, but it is outrageous that they oppose an alternative for gay and lesbian children of God (not to mention some of the elderly, and some heterosexual couples with complicated lives...)<br><br>And anyone who has read Leviticus carefully knows that one must obey ALL 600 or so of the rules written in it or be destroyed (read Chapter 26, verses 14--46). So why aren't these homophobes out picketing Red Lobster restaurants? Why aren't they locking women up after they give birth? (One month for a boy, two months for a girl.) Etc, there's not room enough for all 600-plus rules here. The opponents of domestic partnerships are advertising marriage as the choice of heterosexual bigots. Well, they can have marriage, but it is outrageous that they oppose an alternative for gay and lesbian children of God (not to mention some of the elderly, and some heterosexual couples with complicated lives…)

And anyone who has read Leviticus carefully knows that one must obey ALL 600 or so of the rules written in it or be destroyed (read Chapter 26, verses 14–46). So why aren't these homophobes out picketing Red Lobster restaurants? Why aren't they locking women up after they give birth? (One month for a boy, two months for a girl.) Etc, there's not room enough for all 600-plus rules here.

]]> By: Anonymous http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-38522 Anonymous Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:39:00 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-38522 People like me? Gee that's a little intolerant and hateful, isn't it? Look, all of you gays scream TOLERANCE, TOLERANCE, TOLERANCE - but the second someone disagrees with you - the hatred comes out. Where is all the love you talk about? Sady, you're not gay at all - but seemingly the most unhappy, intolerant lot ever. I couild debate this with you all day - but it wouldn't change the way I feel or the way you feel. The Church is speaking of it's laws as it is obliged to do - if you don't like it - well you don't believe it anyway so what does it matter to you? As a practicing sodomite, the laws of God don't apply to you anyway, right - so move on, let it go - be gay. Show some of tolerance you so wnat the world to show you. People like me? Gee that’s a little intolerant and hateful, isn’t it?

Look, all of you gays scream TOLERANCE, TOLERANCE, TOLERANCE – but the second someone disagrees with you – the hatred comes out. Where is all the love you talk about? Sady, you’re not gay at all – but seemingly the most unhappy, intolerant lot ever. I couild debate this with you all day – but it wouldn’t change the way I feel or the way you feel.

The Church is speaking of it’s laws as it is obliged to do – if you don’t like it – well you don’t believe it anyway so what does it matter to you? As a practicing sodomite, the laws of God don’t apply to you anyway, right – so move on, let it go – be gay. Show some of tolerance you so wnat the world to show you.

]]> By: Gnarlodious http://newmexicoindependent.com/19390/catholic-church-flexes-muscles-in-domestic-partnership-debate#comment-4293 Gnarlodious Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:14:07 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=19390#comment-4293 Sounds like The Church is begging for their tax-exempt status to be revoked, or they wouldn't be meddling in civil affairs.<br><br>Pardon the pun. Sounds like The Church is begging for their tax-exempt status to be revoked, or they wouldn't be meddling in civil affairs.

Pardon the pun.

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