Comments on: Hearing Lays Out Immigration Battle Ahead http://newmexicoindependent.com/43045/hearing-lays-out-immigration-battle-ahead New Mexico news and politics Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: qofdisks http://newmexicoindependent.com/43045/hearing-lays-out-immigration-battle-ahead#comment-21069 qofdisks Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:36:37 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=43045#comment-21069 "vote for THE SAVE ACT (H.R. 3308) and be relentless. The number to call is 202-224-3121" <br>"You ask us to vote but do not inform as to what this act does.<br>millions of destitute, sick, handicapped, pregnant, criminal and just illegal immigrants looking for a better life"<br>Sorry but most are coming to work and are able bodied. Yes, these conditions are inherent to humanity but no more than in our general population as a whole. This argument does not hold in light of the fact that the productivity of illegal immigrants more than pays, in a myriad of ways, for the social costs of having them here. <br>"Tell me who is going to stop this sudden surge in numbers, that will start moving towards the fence in Canada and the Southern border line"<br>Ok, I will tell you not who but what. You have to first understand what has caused this massive migration of economic refugees. Look to unfair trade practices such as NAFTA as well as policies instituted by the World Bank promoting globalization. These policies force large scale centralized production that enriches a few people at the top of multi-national corporations. The mass production of food has driven untold millions from the country sides into the cities to work under inhumane conditions in the large corporate factories. These globalization policies are unsustainable creating massive misery in the world. The people are forced out of highly cultured bucolic and rewarding lives into the soulless degenerating lives lived in factory sweat shops. Then, there is never enough jobs to provide for large populations flowing towards manufacturing slavery in the industrial areas so people flow over our border.<br>If we want to staunch economic refugees, we have to make our government stand up to short turn profit for the big multi-national corporations and pass legislation for sustainable fair trade practices that include standards for labor and environment. Our lawmakers need to rein in this paradigm of centralization of mass production so more people can make a dignified living where they live.<br>Over-population is an important issue that will require and incredible amount of courage to address but this country is more threatened by globalization bringing us DOWN to Mexico's standard of living rather than pulling them up to decent and dignified existence. The inflow of economic refugees into our country IS a large part of that process of bringing American labor and environmental standards into line with the third world. This will enrich the 1% at the top.<br>"Even a sudden surge in ICE raids or any enforcement matters will be completely obsolete" <br>and<br> "Neither the Border Patrol, National Guard or Jesus Christ himself are going to stop, the millions of destitute, uneducated, unskilled foreign labor and all the rest in this behemoth deluge?"<br><br>Agreed. This is not a problem that can be solved by law enforcement any more than the failure of the Drug War. But, I predict that it will metastasize into an industry of it's own sucking off the taxpayer teat perpetuating nothing but abject human misery and injustice. “vote for THE SAVE ACT (H.R. 3308) and be relentless. The number to call is 202-224-3121″
“You ask us to vote but do not inform as to what this act does.
millions of destitute, sick, handicapped, pregnant, criminal and just illegal immigrants looking for a better life”
Sorry but most are coming to work and are able bodied. Yes, these conditions are inherent to humanity but no more than in our general population as a whole. This argument does not hold in light of the fact that the productivity of illegal immigrants more than pays, in a myriad of ways, for the social costs of having them here.
“Tell me who is going to stop this sudden surge in numbers, that will start moving towards the fence in Canada and the Southern border line”
Ok, I will tell you not who but what. You have to first understand what has caused this massive migration of economic refugees. Look to unfair trade practices such as NAFTA as well as policies instituted by the World Bank promoting globalization. These policies force large scale centralized production that enriches a few people at the top of multi-national corporations. The mass production of food has driven untold millions from the country sides into the cities to work under inhumane conditions in the large corporate factories. These globalization policies are unsustainable creating massive misery in the world. The people are forced out of highly cultured bucolic and rewarding lives into the soulless degenerating lives lived in factory sweat shops. Then, there is never enough jobs to provide for large populations flowing towards manufacturing slavery in the industrial areas so people flow over our border.
If we want to staunch economic refugees, we have to make our government stand up to short turn profit for the big multi-national corporations and pass legislation for sustainable fair trade practices that include standards for labor and environment. Our lawmakers need to rein in this paradigm of centralization of mass production so more people can make a dignified living where they live.
Over-population is an important issue that will require and incredible amount of courage to address but this country is more threatened by globalization bringing us DOWN to Mexico's standard of living rather than pulling them up to decent and dignified existence. The inflow of economic refugees into our country IS a large part of that process of bringing American labor and environmental standards into line with the third world. This will enrich the 1% at the top.
“Even a sudden surge in ICE raids or any enforcement matters will be completely obsolete”
and
“Neither the Border Patrol, National Guard or Jesus Christ himself are going to stop, the millions of destitute, uneducated, unskilled foreign labor and all the rest in this behemoth deluge?”

Agreed. This is not a problem that can be solved by law enforcement any more than the failure of the Drug War. But, I predict that it will metastasize into an industry of it's own sucking off the taxpayer teat perpetuating nothing but abject human misery and injustice.

]]> By: qofdisks http://newmexicoindependent.com/43045/hearing-lays-out-immigration-battle-ahead#comment-17663 qofdisks Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:36:37 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=43045#comment-17663 "vote for THE SAVE ACT (H.R. 3308) and be relentless. The number to call is 202-224-3121" <br>"You ask us to vote but do not inform as to what this act does.<br>millions of destitute, sick, handicapped, pregnant, criminal and just illegal immigrants looking for a better life"<br>Sorry but most are coming to work and are able bodied. Yes, these conditions are inherent to humanity but no more than in our general population as a whole. This argument does not hold in light of the fact that the productivity of illegal immigrants more than pays, in a myriad of ways, for the social costs of having them here. <br>"Tell me who is going to stop this sudden surge in numbers, that will start moving towards the fence in Canada and the Southern border line"<br>Ok, I will tell you not who but what. You have to first understand what has caused this massive migration of economic refugees. Look to unfair trade practices such as NAFTA as well as policies instituted by the World Bank promoting globalization. These policies force large scale centralized production that enriches a few people at the top of multi-national corporations. The mass production of food has driven untold millions from the country sides into the cities to work under inhumane conditions in the large corporate factories. These globalization policies are unsustainable creating massive misery in the world. The people are forced out of highly cultured bucolic and rewarding lives into the soulless degenerating lives lived in factory sweat shops. Then, there is never enough jobs to provide for large populations flowing towards manufacturing slavery in the industrial areas so people flow over our border.<br>If we want to staunch economic refugees, we have to make our government stand up to short turn profit for the big multi-national corporations and pass legislation for sustainable fair trade practices that include standards for labor and environment. Our lawmakers need to rein in this paradigm of centralization of mass production so more people can make a dignified living where they live.<br>Over-population is an important issue that will require and incredible amount of courage to address but this country is more threatened by globalization bringing us DOWN to Mexico's standard of living rather than pulling them up to decent and dignified existence. The inflow of economic refugees into our country IS a large part of that process of bringing American labor and environmental standards into line with the third world. This will enrich the 1% at the top.<br>"Even a sudden surge in ICE raids or any enforcement matters will be completely obsolete" <br>and<br> "Neither the Border Patrol, National Guard or Jesus Christ himself are going to stop, the millions of destitute, uneducated, unskilled foreign labor and all the rest in this behemoth deluge?"<br><br>Agreed. This is not a problem that can be solved by law enforcement any more than the failure of the Drug War. But, I predict that it will metastasize into an industry of it's own sucking off the taxpayer teat perpetuating nothing but abject human misery and injustice. “vote for THE SAVE ACT (H.R. 3308) and be relentless. The number to call is 202-224-3121″
“You ask us to vote but do not inform as to what this act does.
millions of destitute, sick, handicapped, pregnant, criminal and just illegal immigrants looking for a better life”
Sorry but most are coming to work and are able bodied. Yes, these conditions are inherent to humanity but no more than in our general population as a whole. This argument does not hold in light of the fact that the productivity of illegal immigrants more than pays, in a myriad of ways, for the social costs of having them here.
“Tell me who is going to stop this sudden surge in numbers, that will start moving towards the fence in Canada and the Southern border line”
Ok, I will tell you not who but what. You have to first understand what has caused this massive migration of economic refugees. Look to unfair trade practices such as NAFTA as well as policies instituted by the World Bank promoting globalization. These policies force large scale centralized production that enriches a few people at the top of multi-national corporations. The mass production of food has driven untold millions from the country sides into the cities to work under inhumane conditions in the large corporate factories. These globalization policies are unsustainable creating massive misery in the world. The people are forced out of highly cultured bucolic and rewarding lives into the soulless degenerating lives lived in factory sweat shops. Then, there is never enough jobs to provide for large populations flowing towards manufacturing slavery in the industrial areas so people flow over our border.
If we want to staunch economic refugees, we have to make our government stand up to short turn profit for the big multi-national corporations and pass legislation for sustainable fair trade practices that include standards for labor and environment. Our lawmakers need to rein in this paradigm of centralization of mass production so more people can make a dignified living where they live.
Over-population is an important issue that will require and incredible amount of courage to address but this country is more threatened by globalization bringing us DOWN to Mexico's standard of living rather than pulling them up to decent and dignified existence. The inflow of economic refugees into our country IS a large part of that process of bringing American labor and environmental standards into line with the third world. This will enrich the 1% at the top.
“Even a sudden surge in ICE raids or any enforcement matters will be completely obsolete”
and
“Neither the Border Patrol, National Guard or Jesus Christ himself are going to stop, the millions of destitute, uneducated, unskilled foreign labor and all the rest in this behemoth deluge?”

Agreed. This is not a problem that can be solved by law enforcement any more than the failure of the Drug War. But, I predict that it will metastasize into an industry of it's own sucking off the taxpayer teat perpetuating nothing but abject human misery and injustice.

]]> By: qofdisks http://newmexicoindependent.com/43045/hearing-lays-out-immigration-battle-ahead#comment-13688 qofdisks Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:36:37 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=43045#comment-13688 "vote for THE SAVE ACT (H.R. 3308) and be relentless. The number to call is 202-224-3121" <br>"You ask us to vote but do not inform as to what this act does.<br>millions of destitute, sick, handicapped, pregnant, criminal and just illegal immigrants looking for a better life"<br>Sorry but most are coming to work and are able bodied. Yes, these conditions are inherent to humanity but no more than in our general population as a whole. This argument does not hold in light of the fact that the productivity of illegal immigrants more than pays, in a myriad of ways, for the social costs of having them here. <br>"Tell me who is going to stop this sudden surge in numbers, that will start moving towards the fence in Canada and the Southern border line"<br>Ok, I will tell you not who but what. You have to first understand what has caused this massive migration of economic refugees. Look to unfair trade practices such as NAFTA as well as policies instituted by the World Bank promoting globalization. These policies force large scale centralized production that enriches a few people at the top of multi-national corporations. The mass production of food has driven untold millions from the country sides into the cities to work under inhumane conditions in the large corporate factories. These globalization policies are unsustainable creating massive misery in the world. The people are forced out of highly cultured bucolic and rewarding lives into the soulless degenerating lives lived in factory sweat shops. Then, there is never enough jobs to provide for large populations flowing towards manufacturing slavery in the industrial areas so people flow over our border.<br>If we want to staunch economic refugees, we have to make our government stand up to short turn profit for the big multi-national corporations and pass legislation for sustainable fair trade practices that include standards for labor and environment. Our lawmakers need to rein in this paradigm of centralization of mass production so more people can make a dignified living where they live.<br>Over-population is an important issue that will require and incredible amount of courage to address but this country is more threatened by globalization bringing us DOWN to Mexico's standard of living rather than pulling them up to decent and dignified existence. The inflow of economic refugees into our country IS a large part of that process of bringing American labor and environmental standards into line with the third world. This will enrich the 1% at the top.<br>"Even a sudden surge in ICE raids or any enforcement matters will be completely obsolete" <br>and<br> "Neither the Border Patrol, National Guard or Jesus Christ himself are going to stop, the millions of destitute, uneducated, unskilled foreign labor and all the rest in this behemoth deluge?"<br><br>Agreed. This is not a problem that can be solved by law enforcement any more than the failure of the Drug War. But, I predict that it will metastasize into an industry of it's own sucking off the taxpayer teat perpetuating nothing but abject human misery and injustice. “vote for THE SAVE ACT (H.R. 3308) and be relentless. The number to call is 202-224-3121″
“You ask us to vote but do not inform as to what this act does.
millions of destitute, sick, handicapped, pregnant, criminal and just illegal immigrants looking for a better life”
Sorry but most are coming to work and are able bodied. Yes, these conditions are inherent to humanity but no more than in our general population as a whole. This argument does not hold in light of the fact that the productivity of illegal immigrants more than pays, in a myriad of ways, for the social costs of having them here.
“Tell me who is going to stop this sudden surge in numbers, that will start moving towards the fence in Canada and the Southern border line”
Ok, I will tell you not who but what. You have to first understand what has caused this massive migration of economic refugees. Look to unfair trade practices such as NAFTA as well as policies instituted by the World Bank promoting globalization. These policies force large scale centralized production that enriches a few people at the top of multi-national corporations. The mass production of food has driven untold millions from the country sides into the cities to work under inhumane conditions in the large corporate factories. These globalization policies are unsustainable creating massive misery in the world. The people are forced out of highly cultured bucolic and rewarding lives into the soulless degenerating lives lived in factory sweat shops. Then, there is never enough jobs to provide for large populations flowing towards manufacturing slavery in the industrial areas so people flow over our border.
If we want to staunch economic refugees, we have to make our government stand up to short turn profit for the big multi-national corporations and pass legislation for sustainable fair trade practices that include standards for labor and environment. Our lawmakers need to rein in this paradigm of centralization of mass production so more people can make a dignified living where they live.
Over-population is an important issue that will require and incredible amount of courage to address but this country is more threatened by globalization bringing us DOWN to Mexico's standard of living rather than pulling them up to decent and dignified existence. The inflow of economic refugees into our country IS a large part of that process of bringing American labor and environmental standards into line with the third world. This will enrich the 1% at the top.
“Even a sudden surge in ICE raids or any enforcement matters will be completely obsolete”
and
“Neither the Border Patrol, National Guard or Jesus Christ himself are going to stop, the millions of destitute, uneducated, unskilled foreign labor and all the rest in this behemoth deluge?”

Agreed. This is not a problem that can be solved by law enforcement any more than the failure of the Drug War. But, I predict that it will metastasize into an industry of it's own sucking off the taxpayer teat perpetuating nothing but abject human misery and injustice.

]]> By: canadaimmigration01 http://newmexicoindependent.com/43045/hearing-lays-out-immigration-battle-ahead#comment-13654 canadaimmigration01 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:02:03 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=43045#comment-13654 thanks for information,i like it. thanks for information,i like it.

]]> By: Brittanicus http://newmexicoindependent.com/43045/hearing-lays-out-immigration-battle-ahead#comment-13629 Brittanicus Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:22:19 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=43045#comment-13629 e fools in Washington don't have a clue, about the consequence of calling for another Comprehensive Immigration Reform package. Has anybody really got any conceivable idea of the ramifications, once President Obama and his political troops whisper AMNESTY. It will be like the final Marconi radio SS (Save our Souls) urgent message from the sinking HMS Titanic? Those perpetrators who want to pass a bill of Immigration reform, are completely ignorant of the masses of humanity that will be pushing against the border fence. From the tip of South America to the huge continent of Asia, new peoples are already biding their time? It will not matter if E-Verify becomes a permanent fixture or even if Homeland Security fully empowers once again the uniformed police 287 (g) federal immigration detainment bill. Even a sudden surge in ICE raids or any enforcement matters will be completely obsolete, as millions more will be swarming the border barrier. It might as not exist, for all the good it will do against millions of destitute, sick, handicapped, pregnant, criminal and just illegal immigrants looking for a better life. Tell me who is going to stop this sudden surge in numbers, that will start moving towards the fence in Canada and the Southern border line. Then we have tourists and students who have arrived for years by aircraft, but never returned to their home country. People trying to cross the undermanned border will never end. Knowing that there is always a chance of another AMNESTY, those who cannot make it in their own country will keep on coming--and never STOP?<br><br>Has anybody with at least one brain cell in their head, considered that once somebody yells AMNESTY--everybody and their Grandmother are going to be slipping across the border or boarding a jet to come here. Neither the Border Patrol, National Guard or Jesus Christ himself are going to stop, the millions of destitute, uneducated, unskilled foreign labor and all the rest in this behemoth deluge? They will wait for the call to go out and just like the 1986 AMNESTY, they will appear with fraudulent documents, that indicates they have been here 5 years or more. Those 3 million people who were legitimized, turned into 5 million after the Simpson/Mazzoli bill was ratified? We already are subsidizing 20 to 30 million foreign national families, whose going to pay for the unknown number waiting just across the fence? Its going to be the unmentionable mass numbers, exiting from every far corner of the impoverished countries on this Earth to be departing for America. GOD HELP THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ITS SURVIVAL.<br><br>So get on the phone and demand as a voter for your lawmaker to vote for THE SAVE ACT (H.R. 3308) and be relentless. The number to call is 202-224-3121. Also bombard the House-Senate policy makers with 28 cent postcards, to stop the open border organizations from engineering another Path to citizenship or AMNESTY. Tell them to amend the 1986 Immigration Reform Act, not another facade that was a bloated with fraud. Understand that THE SAVE ACT will protect American jobs and remove illegal immigrants from working locations over time. Those who believe in America’s survival, without OVERPOPULATION as stated by the US Census bureau better read the facts, not the lies at NUMBERSUSA. Those who want details of corruption in WASHINGTON and state government go to JUDICIAL WATCH. For Overpopulation statistics, should go to CAPSWEB. Other sites of interest on Immigration enforcement is ALIPAC and AMERICAN PATROL. e fools in Washington don't have a clue, about the consequence of calling for another Comprehensive Immigration Reform package. Has anybody really got any conceivable idea of the ramifications, once President Obama and his political troops whisper AMNESTY. It will be like the final Marconi radio SS (Save our Souls) urgent message from the sinking HMS Titanic? Those perpetrators who want to pass a bill of Immigration reform, are completely ignorant of the masses of humanity that will be pushing against the border fence. From the tip of South America to the huge continent of Asia, new peoples are already biding their time? It will not matter if E-Verify becomes a permanent fixture or even if Homeland Security fully empowers once again the uniformed police 287 (g) federal immigration detainment bill. Even a sudden surge in ICE raids or any enforcement matters will be completely obsolete, as millions more will be swarming the border barrier. It might as not exist, for all the good it will do against millions of destitute, sick, handicapped, pregnant, criminal and just illegal immigrants looking for a better life. Tell me who is going to stop this sudden surge in numbers, that will start moving towards the fence in Canada and the Southern border line. Then we have tourists and students who have arrived for years by aircraft, but never returned to their home country. People trying to cross the undermanned border will never end. Knowing that there is always a chance of another AMNESTY, those who cannot make it in their own country will keep on coming–and never STOP?

Has anybody with at least one brain cell in their head, considered that once somebody yells AMNESTY–everybody and their Grandmother are going to be slipping across the border or boarding a jet to come here. Neither the Border Patrol, National Guard or Jesus Christ himself are going to stop, the millions of destitute, uneducated, unskilled foreign labor and all the rest in this behemoth deluge? They will wait for the call to go out and just like the 1986 AMNESTY, they will appear with fraudulent documents, that indicates they have been here 5 years or more. Those 3 million people who were legitimized, turned into 5 million after the Simpson/Mazzoli bill was ratified? We already are subsidizing 20 to 30 million foreign national families, whose going to pay for the unknown number waiting just across the fence? Its going to be the unmentionable mass numbers, exiting from every far corner of the impoverished countries on this Earth to be departing for America. GOD HELP THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ITS SURVIVAL.

So get on the phone and demand as a voter for your lawmaker to vote for THE SAVE ACT (H.R. 3308) and be relentless. The number to call is 202-224-3121. Also bombard the House-Senate policy makers with 28 cent postcards, to stop the open border organizations from engineering another Path to citizenship or AMNESTY. Tell them to amend the 1986 Immigration Reform Act, not another facade that was a bloated with fraud. Understand that THE SAVE ACT will protect American jobs and remove illegal immigrants from working locations over time. Those who believe in America’s survival, without OVERPOPULATION as stated by the US Census bureau better read the facts, not the lies at NUMBERSUSA. Those who want details of corruption in WASHINGTON and state government go to JUDICIAL WATCH. For Overpopulation statistics, should go to CAPSWEB. Other sites of interest on Immigration enforcement is ALIPAC and AMERICAN PATROL.

]]> By: PaulC1958 http://newmexicoindependent.com/43045/hearing-lays-out-immigration-battle-ahead#comment-13616 PaulC1958 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:06:58 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=43045#comment-13616 I'm a life-long liberal Democrat who will work to defeat any Democrat who vote for any form of amnesty. Unfortunately every office for which I can vote has a Democrat who supports amnesty. In fact virtually every Democrat supports amnesty and I can't understand why they hate American citizens so much. There are I understand 25 million US citizens who want work and are either unemployed, under employed or so discouraged that they no longer are looking for work. Despite this situation the congress and the President are permitting 1.5 million legal immigrants to come into the country. Mr. President, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid, why do you hate American workers so much that you allow 1.5 million legal immigrants to come to the US in 2009 when there are so many unemployed Americans? Why do you continue to allow over 8 million illegal aliens to continue to work; what have American workers done to deserve this despicable treatment by their own government? I'm a life-long liberal Democrat who will work to defeat any Democrat who vote for any form of amnesty. Unfortunately every office for which I can vote has a Democrat who supports amnesty. In fact virtually every Democrat supports amnesty and I can't understand why they hate American citizens so much. There are I understand 25 million US citizens who want work and are either unemployed, under employed or so discouraged that they no longer are looking for work. Despite this situation the congress and the President are permitting 1.5 million legal immigrants to come into the country. Mr. President, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid, why do you hate American workers so much that you allow 1.5 million legal immigrants to come to the US in 2009 when there are so many unemployed Americans? Why do you continue to allow over 8 million illegal aliens to continue to work; what have American workers done to deserve this despicable treatment by their own government?

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