Comments on: Happy Columbus Day? http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day New Mexico news and politics Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Project_Truth http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-20980 Project_Truth Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:16:53 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-20980 Yes, I am sure about that, Thomas_James. "Fact checking" will guide you to those instances.<br><br>Note I did not say "ALL" of the white settlers and Indian tribes lived peacefully, because that then would not be an accurate statement. But there were many instances of "live and let live peaceful co-existence" between tribes and farmers (which most of the white settlers were - especially in the Midwest) in the late 1700s and through the first half or so of the 1800s. Many of the plains tribes traded regularly with white settlers, and even inter-married.<br><br>In The West, there was much less "peaceful co-existence" with the Pueblos and tribes. Yes, I am sure about that, Thomas_James. “Fact checking” will guide you to those instances.

Note I did not say “ALL” of the white settlers and Indian tribes lived peacefully, because that then would not be an accurate statement. But there were many instances of “live and let live peaceful co-existence” between tribes and farmers (which most of the white settlers were – especially in the Midwest) in the late 1700s and through the first half or so of the 1800s. Many of the plains tribes traded regularly with white settlers, and even inter-married.

In The West, there was much less “peaceful co-existence” with the Pueblos and tribes.

]]> By: Thomas_James http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-20979 Thomas_James Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:46:13 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-20979 Live and let be co-existence with the tribes in the area....are you sure about that???<br><br>Some fact checking might be in order....Project_Truth Live and let be co-existence with the tribes in the area….are you sure about that???

Some fact checking might be in order….Project_Truth

]]> By: Project_Truth http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-18581 Project_Truth Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:16:53 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-18581 Yes, I am sure about that, Thomas_James. "Fact checking" will guide you to those instances.<br><br>Note I did not say "ALL" of the white settlers and Indian tribes lived peacefully, because that then would not be an accurate statement. But there were many instances of "live and let live peaceful co-existence" between tribes and farmers (which most of the white settlers were - especially in the Midwest) in the late 1700s and through the first half or so of the 1800s. Many of the plains tribes traded regularly with white settlers, and even inter-married.<br><br>In The West, there was much less "peaceful co-existence" with the Pueblos and tribes. Yes, I am sure about that, Thomas_James. “Fact checking” will guide you to those instances.

Note I did not say “ALL” of the white settlers and Indian tribes lived peacefully, because that then would not be an accurate statement. But there were many instances of “live and let live peaceful co-existence” between tribes and farmers (which most of the white settlers were – especially in the Midwest) in the late 1700s and through the first half or so of the 1800s. Many of the plains tribes traded regularly with white settlers, and even inter-married.

In The West, there was much less “peaceful co-existence” with the Pueblos and tribes.

]]> By: Thomas_James http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-18580 Thomas_James Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:46:13 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-18580 Live and let be co-existence with the tribes in the area....are you sure about that???<br><br>Some fact checking might be in order....Project_Truth Live and let be co-existence with the tribes in the area….are you sure about that???

Some fact checking might be in order….Project_Truth

]]> By: Project_Truth http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-10101 Project_Truth Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:16:53 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-10101 Yes, I am sure about that, Thomas_James. "Fact checking" will guide you to those instances.<br><br>Note I did not say "ALL" of the white settlers and Indian tribes lived peacefully, because that then would not be an accurate statement. But there were many instances of "live and let live peaceful co-existence" between tribes and farmers (which most of the white settlers were - especially in the Midwest) in the late 1700s and through the first half or so of the 1800s. Many of the plains tribes traded regularly with white settlers, and even inter-married.<br><br>In The West, there was much less "peaceful co-existence" with the Pueblos and tribes. Yes, I am sure about that, Thomas_James. “Fact checking” will guide you to those instances.

Note I did not say “ALL” of the white settlers and Indian tribes lived peacefully, because that then would not be an accurate statement. But there were many instances of “live and let live peaceful co-existence” between tribes and farmers (which most of the white settlers were – especially in the Midwest) in the late 1700s and through the first half or so of the 1800s. Many of the plains tribes traded regularly with white settlers, and even inter-married.

In The West, there was much less “peaceful co-existence” with the Pueblos and tribes.

]]> By: Thomas_James http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-10100 Thomas_James Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:46:13 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-10100 Live and let be co-existence with the tribes in the area....are you sure about that???<br><br>Some fact checking might be in order....Project_Truth Live and let be co-existence with the tribes in the area….are you sure about that???

Some fact checking might be in order….Project_Truth

]]> By: Project_Truth http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-1467 Project_Truth Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:16:53 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-1467 Yes, I am sure about that, Thomas_James. "Fact checking" will guide you to those instances.<br><br>Note I did not say "ALL" of the white settlers and Indian tribes lived peacefully, because that then would not be an accurate statement. But there were many instances of "live and let live peaceful co-existence" between tribes and farmers (which most of the white settlers were - especially in the Midwest) in the late 1700s and through the first half or so of the 1800s. Many of the plains tribes traded regularly with white settlers, and even inter-married.<br><br>In The West, there was much less "peaceful co-existence" with the Pueblos and tribes. Yes, I am sure about that, Thomas_James. “Fact checking” will guide you to those instances.

Note I did not say “ALL” of the white settlers and Indian tribes lived peacefully, because that then would not be an accurate statement. But there were many instances of “live and let live peaceful co-existence” between tribes and farmers (which most of the white settlers were – especially in the Midwest) in the late 1700s and through the first half or so of the 1800s. Many of the plains tribes traded regularly with white settlers, and even inter-married.

In The West, there was much less “peaceful co-existence” with the Pueblos and tribes.

]]> By: Thomas_James http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-1464 Thomas_James Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:46:13 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-1464 Live and let be co-existence with the tribes in the area....are you sure about that???<br><br>Some fact checking might be in order....Project_Truth Live and let be co-existence with the tribes in the area….are you sure about that???

Some fact checking might be in order….Project_Truth

]]> By: freshfromflorida http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-1442 freshfromflorida Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:39:25 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-1442 Yeah, its funny because a lot of the exact same language used by Christians to describe Muslims during the crusades was used vice versa, and then the same rhetoric used in the dealings with Native Americans. Its all a rhetoric of differentiation in the quest of justification. Yeah, its funny because a lot of the exact same language used by Christians to describe Muslims during the crusades was used vice versa, and then the same rhetoric used in the dealings with Native Americans. Its all a rhetoric of differentiation in the quest of justification.

]]> By: Project_Truth http://newmexicoindependent.com/4847/happy-columbus-day#comment-1438 Project_Truth Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:14:34 +0000 http://newmexicoindependent.com/?p=4847#comment-1438 There's no doubt that the evil white settlers and their US Army cavalry support did a number on the indigenous people of the USA. But there's also many accounts that tell the stories of brutality from the Indian Nations on the white settler, who had previously arrived at a "live and let be" co-existence with the tribes in the area. From the Midwest, you can find documented stories of an episode when a Sioux tribe killed and entire family for no apparent reason - called the "Spirit Lake Massacre." In New Mexico, you can learn more about how the Mescalero Apaches were the last of the Indian tribes to "lay down their arms" against the white man. The Indians were also pretty brutal against one another, too. Territorial by nature, they usually reacted with brutal and savage violence against any other "native" tribe that strayed into their "land." <br><br>There's a place in the Black Hills of South Dakota that is the most impressive Native American Cultural Center and Museum I've ever seen - and I dare say the Indian Pueblo Cultural Center in Albuquerque is impressive. But if you ever have the chance, go to the Crazy Horse Monument in the Black Hills. Be prepared to spend an entire day in their Museum Center. You'll learn a lot.<br><br>Oh and by the way - when the Barbarians invaded areas of Europe, there were episodes of nastiness, too. Humans... same stuff, different century ... There's no doubt that the evil white settlers and their US Army cavalry support did a number on the indigenous people of the USA. But there's also many accounts that tell the stories of brutality from the Indian Nations on the white settler, who had previously arrived at a “live and let be” co-existence with the tribes in the area. From the Midwest, you can find documented stories of an episode when a Sioux tribe killed and entire family for no apparent reason – called the “Spirit Lake Massacre.” In New Mexico, you can learn more about how the Mescalero Apaches were the last of the Indian tribes to “lay down their arms” against the white man. The Indians were also pretty brutal against one another, too. Territorial by nature, they usually reacted with brutal and savage violence against any other “native” tribe that strayed into their “land.”

There's a place in the Black Hills of South Dakota that is the most impressive Native American Cultural Center and Museum I've ever seen – and I dare say the Indian Pueblo Cultural Center in Albuquerque is impressive. But if you ever have the chance, go to the Crazy Horse Monument in the Black Hills. Be prepared to spend an entire day in their Museum Center. You'll learn a lot.

Oh and by the way – when the Barbarians invaded areas of Europe, there were episodes of nastiness, too. Humans… same stuff, different century …

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