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		<title>By: Thomas_James</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok I refuse to waste any more time on your nativity.  I will say this have you ever seen the donor lists for groups such as Earth First.  IF you haven&#039;t perhaps you should.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And can you say Manny Aragon......&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your blind, spoon-fed partisanship is sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I refuse to waste any more time on your nativity.  I will say this have you ever seen the donor lists for groups such as Earth First.  IF you haven&#39;t perhaps you should.  </p>
<p>And can you say Manny Aragon&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Your blind, spoon-fed partisanship is sad.</p>
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		<title>By: anchorite</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. One documentary (a genre that is not a moneymaker) that funds one group is not much.  If you want to talk about right-wing Hollywood, talk about the hundreds in millions of money that have gone the other way, that conservatives have put into movies, like Red Scorpion, or Cannon Films, as political propaganda against Muslims or Nelson Mandela&#039;s ANC.  That&#039;s hate in Hollywood, and we&#039;ve been seeing dozens of films over the last 30 years funded by that same crowd.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. I haven&#039;t heard Pelosi say any such thing.  And I don&#039;t even believe she would.  In my view she&#039;s pretty conservative.  Liberals would not tour Bush&#039;s black prisons in Europe and stay silent.  Liberals who do use hate speech are in a tiny minority, while just this week we&#039;ve seen mainstreamers on the GOP side like Palin say that blue states are anti-America.  A sitting congressman said that liberals hate Christians and Americans (as if liberals are not all American Christians to begin with).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The democratic abandons its values often.  It abandoned them and supported segregation, supported censorship, supported communist witch hunts, has been the strongest party supporter of apartheid Israel, supports free trade over labor, and for those reasons and more I&#039;m not a democrat anymore, haven&#039;t been for a long time.  But I wouldn&#039;t say they are corrupt because it&#039;s the GOP that is in there starting giant wars just to enrich their friends, illegally trying to keep the poor and minorities from voting by lying and saying that people who are foreclosed upon are not registered to vote anymore, people with the same name as a convict (and who hasn&#039;t?) are to be unregistered, they use campaign funds illegally like Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff, and they fire subordinates who don&#039;t agree with them even though they are doing their jobs, like David Iglesias, and even Colin Powell was basically fired for not toe-ing the line.  That&#039;s corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. One documentary (a genre that is not a moneymaker) that funds one group is not much.  If you want to talk about right-wing Hollywood, talk about the hundreds in millions of money that have gone the other way, that conservatives have put into movies, like Red Scorpion, or Cannon Films, as political propaganda against Muslims or Nelson Mandela&#39;s ANC.  That&#39;s hate in Hollywood, and we&#39;ve been seeing dozens of films over the last 30 years funded by that same crowd.</p>
<p>2. I haven&#39;t heard Pelosi say any such thing.  And I don&#39;t even believe she would.  In my view she&#39;s pretty conservative.  Liberals would not tour Bush&#39;s black prisons in Europe and stay silent.  Liberals who do use hate speech are in a tiny minority, while just this week we&#39;ve seen mainstreamers on the GOP side like Palin say that blue states are anti-America.  A sitting congressman said that liberals hate Christians and Americans (as if liberals are not all American Christians to begin with).</p>
<p>The democratic abandons its values often.  It abandoned them and supported segregation, supported censorship, supported communist witch hunts, has been the strongest party supporter of apartheid Israel, supports free trade over labor, and for those reasons and more I&#39;m not a democrat anymore, haven&#39;t been for a long time.  But I wouldn&#39;t say they are corrupt because it&#39;s the GOP that is in there starting giant wars just to enrich their friends, illegally trying to keep the poor and minorities from voting by lying and saying that people who are foreclosed upon are not registered to vote anymore, people with the same name as a convict (and who hasn&#39;t?) are to be unregistered, they use campaign funds illegally like Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff, and they fire subordinates who don&#39;t agree with them even though they are doing their jobs, like David Iglesias, and even Colin Powell was basically fired for not toe-ing the line.  That&#39;s corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas_James</title>
		<link>http://newmexicoindependent.com/5207/the-problem-with-hate-speech/comment-page-1#comment-10984</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok I refuse to waste any more time on your nativity.  I will say this have you ever seen the donor lists for groups such as Earth First.  IF you haven&#039;t perhaps you should.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And can you say Manny Aragon......&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your blind, spoon-fed partisanship is sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I refuse to waste any more time on your nativity.  I will say this have you ever seen the donor lists for groups such as Earth First.  IF you haven&#39;t perhaps you should.  </p>
<p>And can you say Manny Aragon&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Your blind, spoon-fed partisanship is sad.</p>
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		<title>By: anchorite</title>
		<link>http://newmexicoindependent.com/5207/the-problem-with-hate-speech/comment-page-1#comment-10983</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. One documentary (a genre that is not a moneymaker) that funds one group is not much.  If you want to talk about right-wing Hollywood, talk about the hundreds in millions of money that have gone the other way, that conservatives have put into movies, like Red Scorpion, or Cannon Films, as political propaganda against Muslims or Nelson Mandela&#039;s ANC.  That&#039;s hate in Hollywood, and we&#039;ve been seeing dozens of films over the last 30 years funded by that same crowd.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. I haven&#039;t heard Pelosi say any such thing.  And I don&#039;t even believe she would.  In my view she&#039;s pretty conservative.  Liberals would not tour Bush&#039;s black prisons in Europe and stay silent.  Liberals who do use hate speech are in a tiny minority, while just this week we&#039;ve seen mainstreamers on the GOP side like Palin say that blue states are anti-America.  A sitting congressman said that liberals hate Christians and Americans (as if liberals are not all American Christians to begin with).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The democratic abandons its values often.  It abandoned them and supported segregation, supported censorship, supported communist witch hunts, has been the strongest party supporter of apartheid Israel, supports free trade over labor, and for those reasons and more I&#039;m not a democrat anymore, haven&#039;t been for a long time.  But I wouldn&#039;t say they are corrupt because it&#039;s the GOP that is in there starting giant wars just to enrich their friends, illegally trying to keep the poor and minorities from voting by lying and saying that people who are foreclosed upon are not registered to vote anymore, people with the same name as a convict (and who hasn&#039;t?) are to be unregistered, they use campaign funds illegally like Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff, and they fire subordinates who don&#039;t agree with them even though they are doing their jobs, like David Iglesias, and even Colin Powell was basically fired for not toe-ing the line.  That&#039;s corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. One documentary (a genre that is not a moneymaker) that funds one group is not much.  If you want to talk about right-wing Hollywood, talk about the hundreds in millions of money that have gone the other way, that conservatives have put into movies, like Red Scorpion, or Cannon Films, as political propaganda against Muslims or Nelson Mandela&#39;s ANC.  That&#39;s hate in Hollywood, and we&#39;ve been seeing dozens of films over the last 30 years funded by that same crowd.</p>
<p>2. I haven&#39;t heard Pelosi say any such thing.  And I don&#39;t even believe she would.  In my view she&#39;s pretty conservative.  Liberals would not tour Bush&#39;s black prisons in Europe and stay silent.  Liberals who do use hate speech are in a tiny minority, while just this week we&#39;ve seen mainstreamers on the GOP side like Palin say that blue states are anti-America.  A sitting congressman said that liberals hate Christians and Americans (as if liberals are not all American Christians to begin with).</p>
<p>The democratic abandons its values often.  It abandoned them and supported segregation, supported censorship, supported communist witch hunts, has been the strongest party supporter of apartheid Israel, supports free trade over labor, and for those reasons and more I&#39;m not a democrat anymore, haven&#39;t been for a long time.  But I wouldn&#39;t say they are corrupt because it&#39;s the GOP that is in there starting giant wars just to enrich their friends, illegally trying to keep the poor and minorities from voting by lying and saying that people who are foreclosed upon are not registered to vote anymore, people with the same name as a convict (and who hasn&#39;t?) are to be unregistered, they use campaign funds illegally like Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff, and they fire subordinates who don&#39;t agree with them even though they are doing their jobs, like David Iglesias, and even Colin Powell was basically fired for not toe-ing the line.  That&#39;s corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas_James</title>
		<link>http://newmexicoindependent.com/5207/the-problem-with-hate-speech/comment-page-1#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas_James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok I refuse to waste any more time on your nativity.  I will say this have you ever seen the donor lists for groups such as Earth First.  IF you haven&#039;t perhaps you should.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And can you say Manny Aragon......&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your blind, spoon-fed partisanship is sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I refuse to waste any more time on your nativity.  I will say this have you ever seen the donor lists for groups such as Earth First.  IF you haven&#39;t perhaps you should.  </p>
<p>And can you say Manny Aragon&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Your blind, spoon-fed partisanship is sad.</p>
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		<title>By: anchorite</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. One documentary (a genre that is not a moneymaker) that funds one group is not much.  If you want to talk about right-wing Hollywood, talk about the hundreds in millions of money that have gone the other way, that conservatives have put into movies, like Red Scorpion, or Cannon Films, as political propaganda against Muslims or Nelson Mandela&#039;s ANC.  That&#039;s hate in Hollywood, and we&#039;ve been seeing dozens of films over the last 30 years funded by that same crowd.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. I haven&#039;t heard Pelosi say any such thing.  And I don&#039;t even believe she would.  In my view she&#039;s pretty conservative.  Liberals would not tour Bush&#039;s black prisons in Europe and stay silent.  Liberals who do use hate speech are in a tiny minority, while just this week we&#039;ve seen mainstreamers on the GOP side like Palin say that blue states are anti-America.  A sitting congressman said that liberals hate Christians and Americans (as if liberals are not all American Christians to begin with).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The democratic abandons its values often.  It abandoned them and supported segregation, supported censorship, supported communist witch hunts, has been the strongest party supporter of apartheid Israel, supports free trade over labor, and for those reasons and more I&#039;m not a democrat anymore, haven&#039;t been for a long time.  But I wouldn&#039;t say they are corrupt because it&#039;s the GOP that is in there starting giant wars just to enrich their friends, illegally trying to keep the poor and minorities from voting by lying and saying that people who are foreclosed upon are not registered to vote anymore, people with the same name as a convict (and who hasn&#039;t?) are to be unregistered, they use campaign funds illegally like Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff, and they fire subordinates who don&#039;t agree with them even though they are doing their jobs, like David Iglesias, and even Colin Powell was basically fired for not toe-ing the line.  That&#039;s corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. One documentary (a genre that is not a moneymaker) that funds one group is not much.  If you want to talk about right-wing Hollywood, talk about the hundreds in millions of money that have gone the other way, that conservatives have put into movies, like Red Scorpion, or Cannon Films, as political propaganda against Muslims or Nelson Mandela&#39;s ANC.  That&#39;s hate in Hollywood, and we&#39;ve been seeing dozens of films over the last 30 years funded by that same crowd.</p>
<p>2. I haven&#39;t heard Pelosi say any such thing.  And I don&#39;t even believe she would.  In my view she&#39;s pretty conservative.  Liberals would not tour Bush&#39;s black prisons in Europe and stay silent.  Liberals who do use hate speech are in a tiny minority, while just this week we&#39;ve seen mainstreamers on the GOP side like Palin say that blue states are anti-America.  A sitting congressman said that liberals hate Christians and Americans (as if liberals are not all American Christians to begin with).</p>
<p>The democratic abandons its values often.  It abandoned them and supported segregation, supported censorship, supported communist witch hunts, has been the strongest party supporter of apartheid Israel, supports free trade over labor, and for those reasons and more I&#39;m not a democrat anymore, haven&#39;t been for a long time.  But I wouldn&#39;t say they are corrupt because it&#39;s the GOP that is in there starting giant wars just to enrich their friends, illegally trying to keep the poor and minorities from voting by lying and saying that people who are foreclosed upon are not registered to vote anymore, people with the same name as a convict (and who hasn&#39;t?) are to be unregistered, they use campaign funds illegally like Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff, and they fire subordinates who don&#39;t agree with them even though they are doing their jobs, like David Iglesias, and even Colin Powell was basically fired for not toe-ing the line.  That&#39;s corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas_James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas_James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  No the earth firsters are funded by a another big industry the movie industry, which sells billions annually in the form on nonessentials like $10 movie tickets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2.  Yes, plenty of democrats say stuff like that to large crowds all the time, have you ever listened to any of the Pelosi, Reid, Kari, crowd speak.....that is their liberal democrat mantra.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are you really that naive?   Why do you insist on defending corrupt parties?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Price really wanted to urge tolerance, maybe he should have admonished both sides!  But ol V.B.&#039;s real goal was to incite more partisan hatred.  Why else would spend a whole column bashing one side, when both are guilty and then get to the bottom to say &quot;Now play nice everybody.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  No the earth firsters are funded by a another big industry the movie industry, which sells billions annually in the form on nonessentials like $10 movie tickets.</p>
<p>2.  Yes, plenty of democrats say stuff like that to large crowds all the time, have you ever listened to any of the Pelosi, Reid, Kari, crowd speak&#8230;..that is their liberal democrat mantra.  </p>
<p>Are you really that naive?   Why do you insist on defending corrupt parties?</p>
<p>If Price really wanted to urge tolerance, maybe he should have admonished both sides!  But ol V.B.&#39;s real goal was to incite more partisan hatred.  Why else would spend a whole column bashing one side, when both are guilty and then get to the bottom to say &#8220;Now play nice everybody.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: anchorite</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earth Firsters are nowhere near as well funded as a group that gets its money from members with thousands of dollars to spend on non-essentials like $1000 M-16&#039;s and $8,000 G3&#039;s.  I&#039;ve never heard of a single Earth First member ever being elected to public office or being appointed to anything.  Plenty of NRA members are federal officials.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Today from a sitting Congressman we have heard, &quot;Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God.&quot;  Have any Democratic Congressman said that conservatives hate the poor?  Hate the environment?  Hate Mexicans?  Hate immigrants?  I know you think that is what liberals believe, but although we get frustrated with what we see as destructive behavior, we don&#039;t tell a crowd, &quot;These people hate you, they don&#039;t deserve to be treated like Americans.&quot;  This kind of speech is just so out of line compared to what democrats have said, and it&#039;s certainly out of line compared to the tolerance that Price is urging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earth Firsters are nowhere near as well funded as a group that gets its money from members with thousands of dollars to spend on non-essentials like $1000 M-16&#39;s and $8,000 G3&#39;s.  I&#39;ve never heard of a single Earth First member ever being elected to public office or being appointed to anything.  Plenty of NRA members are federal officials.</p>
<p>Today from a sitting Congressman we have heard, &#8220;Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God.&#8221;  Have any Democratic Congressman said that conservatives hate the poor?  Hate the environment?  Hate Mexicans?  Hate immigrants?  I know you think that is what liberals believe, but although we get frustrated with what we see as destructive behavior, we don&#39;t tell a crowd, &#8220;These people hate you, they don&#39;t deserve to be treated like Americans.&#8221;  This kind of speech is just so out of line compared to what democrats have said, and it&#39;s certainly out of line compared to the tolerance that Price is urging.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas_James</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of conservative groups that stand up for civil rights.  The Cato Institute, the Pacific Legal Foundation and several others.  Earth Firsters are about like the NRA, well funded and able to fend for themselves so why does the ACLU support them and not NRA causes??????  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And your point was that hate speech is limited to fringe types like Farrakan, but as examples of the GOP as whole you cited fringe types like Rush and Dr. Laura.  I think if you really want to use a broad brush to characterize a party, you should be honest.  BOTH parties are full of fringe types that express hate speech.  I suppose you could to a head count, but the fact of the a matter is they both suck.  And defending either of them with more divisive partisanship like VB promulgated here or you defend only does more disservice to this Country by adding fuel for the two way race to the bottom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of conservative groups that stand up for civil rights.  The Cato Institute, the Pacific Legal Foundation and several others.  Earth Firsters are about like the NRA, well funded and able to fend for themselves so why does the ACLU support them and not NRA causes??????  </p>
<p>And your point was that hate speech is limited to fringe types like Farrakan, but as examples of the GOP as whole you cited fringe types like Rush and Dr. Laura.  I think if you really want to use a broad brush to characterize a party, you should be honest.  BOTH parties are full of fringe types that express hate speech.  I suppose you could to a head count, but the fact of the a matter is they both suck.  And defending either of them with more divisive partisanship like VB promulgated here or you defend only does more disservice to this Country by adding fuel for the two way race to the bottom!</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t hear people on Air America Radio calling those who disagree with them traitors and cowards on a daily basis like I hear &quot;Dr.&quot; Laura, Rush Limbaugh, and Jim Villanucci calling pacifists on 770 AM.  I sort of take exception to being accused of a crime punishable by death because I don&#039;t agree with someone&#039;s attempt to subjugate a slew of Muslim countries to enrich the President&#039;s circle of friends.  Just a bit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your point about the ACLU is taken but doesn&#039;t mean anything.  The ACLU doesn&#039;t spend any time and resources on the second amendment that I know of, especially since the NRA does that just fine, so maybe they are the AC(L-1)U, but it doesn&#039;t diminish their record of defending police, conservatives, Republicans, and even hate group members when all they do is exercise their right to free speech, including hateful speech.  When have any conservative groups defended Earth Firsters or university professors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t hear people on Air America Radio calling those who disagree with them traitors and cowards on a daily basis like I hear &#8220;Dr.&#8221; Laura, Rush Limbaugh, and Jim Villanucci calling pacifists on 770 AM.  I sort of take exception to being accused of a crime punishable by death because I don&#39;t agree with someone&#39;s attempt to subjugate a slew of Muslim countries to enrich the President&#39;s circle of friends.  Just a bit.</p>
<p>Your point about the ACLU is taken but doesn&#39;t mean anything.  The ACLU doesn&#39;t spend any time and resources on the second amendment that I know of, especially since the NRA does that just fine, so maybe they are the AC(L-1)U, but it doesn&#39;t diminish their record of defending police, conservatives, Republicans, and even hate group members when all they do is exercise their right to free speech, including hateful speech.  When have any conservative groups defended Earth Firsters or university professors?</p>
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